Suddenly, you are standing in the patent offices of Zürich and Paris and you have the luck to find a clear indication of a special production method. Title: Chomette 2021 Be Fr, Author: ECF, Length: 612 pages, Published: 2021-05-11 Anyone who has written a doctoral thesis must defend it to a critical panel of scientists. There, copper pans are spun with a machine from Leifeld!. copper dishes are still unsurpassed today due to our years of production experience.”. This type of “extra heavy duty” pans were still offered in the 1922 catalog (page 4). Updated: 2021-07-06 17:11:55 v48.119c54 . No, with this patent, it’s different. For this, the ring only had to be slid over the bottom of the pan. More please!! Shaping, drawing or spinning a pan using a lathe often leaves marks in the form of fine grooves or waves. So it was at least conceivable, if not obvious, to accept this company as the actual manufacturer of the copper pans and as a supplier for “Gebr. But how the deep-drawn JVK pans got their reinforcing rings remains a mystery to me. https://leifeldms.com/unternehmen/geschichte/. M. Henniger would be hired for this job in 1897. In 1944, Schwabenland was on an impressive list comprising a multitude of countries such as Germany, Brazil, Guatemala, Bolivia, Morocco, etc … which indicates that it is forbidden to have relations with persons or companies of this list. Someone must have an interesting American pan to showcase, we just don’t see them this side of the pond. Although I’ve always been interested in history, it’s only in the last few years that I’ve become more involved with it again. 15, place Carnot Nancy CEDEX, 54042 Map It France Voice: 03 72 74 17 84 Fax: 03 54 50 45 87 Email: marion.jacquot@univ-lorraine.fr But all the illustrations are identical to the other edition of the 1922 catalog, whose illustrations have already been published here on VFC by Arndt. This deserves a punishment! 1,884 followers. From then on, the “Gebr. The war years not only brought great losses, but also opened up new customer groups through the various army catering facilities, military hospitals, etc. The results are perfectly smooth. So one more question arises, is it possible that there is a spelling error? Anything better or more precise than conjecture will get us further. An identical reference to the J.V.K. You have to imagine that if today Mauviel stamps a pot 20cm in diameter, it will come out of the machine with a height of, I imagine, 11 or 12cm. I have already commented on this elsewhere. The protective ring c can be replaced by a new one after it has been worn out. pans presented by T.J. show no signs of spinning, just as these characteristic features could not be found on the pans we have shown. As Gebr. Schwabenland”, even if the riddle of the first letter has not yet been solved. From the 1906 patent, translated from German: The cookware a is provided with a protective ring c on part b. I don’t understand how it would bond without getting hot enough to melt the previous layer. UPDATE: MORE INFORMATION ON THE REINFORCEMENTS. Hypotheses are formulated, tested and rejected, new hypotheses are thought up, etc. Consultez le profil complet sur LinkedIn et découvrez les relations de Alexandre, ainsi que des emplois dans des entreprises similaires. At last he was a traveling salesman until he was deprived of any opportunity to earn a living due to the “Aryanization” (persecution of Jews). (Quoted after Helga Weinert-Kuhn, November 2006.). In 1934 came the closure of “Gebrüder Schwabenland A.-G.”, large kitchen & pastry shops, Mannheim. It was certainly made so precisely that it clamped all by itself. Do not cry scandal! The photos of LIEGE are mine. There are other examples of this as well. This reinforcement involves the entire bottom, the bottom edge or rounding (“Gelenk”), and the area of the top rim of the pans. Sales increased several times over in the first year after the catalog was published. It is hard to imagine that the same method was still being used 70 years later. But from the context I was able to decipher the meaning. 0478549740. Therefore, I would like to ask you to consider my comment when revising your report on Schwabenland. But this truth is also part of the history of Germany for which we, who were born after the war, also have to take responsibility. Regarding “the German company Leifeld did not launch the world’s first hand-spinning machine for metal forming until 1930.”. For example, in the 1927 catalog, the company emphasizes the independent, formerly legally protected design of “J.F.K. Martin, it’s a pleasure to have your work on the site, and an honor to help preserve this information for others. For example, these machines can also be used to cut screws (e.g. I have always found this awful. This particular type was designed for fine engraving in metals and was therefore used by watchmakers, cutlers, goldsmiths, etc. Note in particular the smooth tinning. He wasn’t in the military. As a result, the originally open trading company was converted into a limited partnership in 1920. So I just learn again and have fun several times However, there were also hours where the research on Vogelsang & Kuhn was painful for me. The heating and tinning are then repeated several times until there is fixed upon the inside of the vessel a lining if tin of a very great resisting power and so thick that the breaking off of particles is practically impossible. Regarding the house Vogelsang & Kuhn, my opinion for the moment would rather be that it distributed Schwabenland products and not the other way around. “Schwabenland & Co. A.-G.” only employed Swiss nationals. All machines could be demonstrated to interested parties in the permanent exhibition rooms. We both certainly want readers to experience the best possible state of our research. If necessary, a new article would have to be written. This I later questioned again. Chomette Luxembourg. Whether in France, Germany, England … All the big names participate in national and international exhibitions, in capitals, big cities. Chomette, au service des professionnels de l'hôtellerie, de la restauration, du tourisme et des. Some jam basins or other such pots do not have an iron ring inside. Quite often copper pans gave me reason to look into the complete cultural and political background of their manufacturing period. However, the essentials can be read in the comments and UPDATES. You have to start all the work again. in the headquarters, as well as in Cologne and Zurich. The research and writing is all Martin and Arndt! Caption: “The pressure of the press corresponds to about 400-500 000 kg, which requires the use of only the very best raw material.” I estimate the height with at least 5 m. Now there is no doubt about the production. I don’t think that, contrary to what is said, that there have been many copies of SCHWABENLAND pots. The Collection of the Michèle Chomette Gallery will be presented at public auction at Hôtel Drouot on Friday, June 21, 2019 at 2pm. L'hypothèse de la survie du. After stamping, in a very thick sheet, the pot is annealed to place it on a lathe. The idea for this ring was good. It would be nice if you could post those as well. However, customers could choose which handles the pans should be delivered with. 2018-2019 Catalog [ARCHIVED CATALOG: Content may no longer be accurate.] The first time I noticed these distinctive reinforcements was on a sauté pan from Paul Manzoni (Switzerland). I have encountered a lot of errors of this type in catalogs, directories and other documents. Imagine the way to talk about several … Thus, your conclusion that the Schwabenland J.V.K. You are also missing parts of the discussion I had directly by email with VFC that were not published. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61vwMXmnzv4 That is totally exciting. Perhaps you, as a practitioner, will again invent a process that follows Schwabenland’s patent. The most important patent: “Cookware with outer protective ring”. Suddenly, the vision of this thick rim and the commercial arguments that we can make of it bring a very serious argument for the sale. Liked by Jeroen Galicia. Can you explain this, I’m having a hard time understanding? The Netherlands, with its numerous seaside resorts and large colonial possessions, has long been a good sales area for the “Gebr. It is 327 pages long! In summary, the benefits of Schwabenland copper pots were advertised as follows: Particularly emphasized was the permanent tinning from pure English tin: “Schwabenland’s permanent tinning”. They worked together to research the company, and each acquired representative pieces and provided beautiful photos to show their beauty and detail. On October 22, 1940, Albert Kuhn was deported to Gurs with his wife Hilda and his two sons. There are no serious dents or dings around the rim or the base. Site web Consultez nos tarifs. Hypotheses are formulated, tested and discarded, new hypotheses come up, etc. Thank you. But this is possible, I agree. Thank you all. With conventional lathes, only material is removed, whether metal or wood (turning). During the war years, the Frankfurt representation was fortunate enough to be able to compensate for the loss of hotels with deliveries to the army. Unemployment is rising rapidly. Largeur : 27 cm. The two production methods complement each other and are each truly amazing on their own as well as in combination, especially for the time. First of all, the Swiss are formidable businessmen, and secondly, as a neutral and wise little country, Switzerland was spared the wars. Schwabenland was probably the market leader at that time, at least in Germany, if not throughout Europe. No spam, I promise. I may not have understood correctly? And that in 1945 they invented the same type of machine in hydraulic version ????? And so far, I’ve never encountered that sort of thing. Is there more information about Vogelsang & Kuhn? So if you own any copper pots from this house, use them! A game of massacre that sees many copper pots fail to survive this incomprehensible treatment for long! No chocolates or sweets for at least …. Martin, in reality there is no point in reinventing a new tinning process. I own several pans from the French stores you mentioned, but none are equipped with rim and base reinforcements like the “J.F.K. I know of other manufacturers that have not yet been featured, such as Swiss artisans near the French border. Once you understand a fact, it suddenly seems very simple. The Schwabenland DRAWING PRESS used for the production of the “special copper pans” has now been added to the post. This upper rim could not be deformed by hand. As is so often the case, the solution of a mystery is followed by other myteries. There had to be a second stage of production. The 1898 exhibition for cookware in Stuttgart offered a good opportunity for this. I love how vintage copper offers the shapes and lining types to address a wide range of cooking needs. The same question concerns the other I.V.K. But we could not find out anything for sure about this. All academic program and course information approved for fall 2021 at the time of publication are reflected in this site. In July 1901, just four years after the business was founded, the company moved to the new houses that thus became the actual headquarters of the company, especially since these were the first owned buildings. Well, apart from that, a big thumbs up for this superb research work! DEGRENNE, the specialist in the Art of Tableware. In the “Suppliers” section, we assume that the trading company must have had numerous suppliers as well. Well-trained people are now working in the company. I think we must first consider that there were two different types of reinforcements for the Schwabenland pans. 30 were here. With panache, humour and elegance we improve your way of life, because every second can be an opportunity for emotion. addition was added 5 years later and the meaning of the abbreviation was not explained. First an improved straining machine followed, then “Schwabenland’s original coffee machine” was brought onto the market as a “revolutionary new product.” The success of this patented invention was resounding. A pinch of boldness that makes the moment memorable. Sometimes we find copper pots with tinning like mirrors. pans may also have been produced in a similar manner cannot be dismissed. The designation “project” really hits the spot! In order to better serve the Bavarian sales area, a model warehouse was also set up in Munich, Promenadenplatz 21. Schwabenland” down to the last detail. Mr. Karl Schwabenland chose a small town near Heidelberg in the Neckar Valley as his retirement home. Suppose you donate the same amount of tin to several tinsmiths. Very quickly. Training of a technically trained staff of representatives. In the same way, a representation in Rome was created for Italy. The impact of this catalog exceeded all expectations. Repoussage = “Drücken” = spinning/turning/pushing/metal stretching (combination of turning and pushing). Report this post. If the use of a damp cloth is used, this will have the effect not only of cooling the tin abnormally (when I say abnormally it is in the sense of not obtaining a nice tinning, which can be a will of the manufacturer) but also the virtual impossibility of tinning by hand. At the same time, the addition D.R.P. Within a few years, the living situation of people and the political mood in the country change fundamentally. These traces must make you think of awkward, imperfect, uncertain work and paradoxically, you will have found the best for cooking for many years. Somewhere I wrote that down and probably reported it in a comment at VFC once. Are you certain that they are deep drawn, if they were spun then producing the bands would be no more difficult than forming walls of tapering thickness. It is apparent that once the pan bodies were deep drawn, these reinforcements were hard soldered to the top of the rim and the bottom. I understand the terms used here as follows: Kupfergeschirre” (“J.V.K. Accordingly, there are no differences in the results of the M’tradition and M’heritage series. Email: marion.jacquot@univ-lorraine.fr. About today’s craftsmen: Of course I know the company East Coast Tinning for a long time and also the video. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. We were surprised that there were hardly any good quality pans to be found from manufacturers in other countries. So you keep on researching. Necessity is the mother of invention, as we all know. The Vogelsang & Kuhn track is an interesting option, but it is not enough. In 1907 Mr. Baumann 18 boulevard de Magenta represented Schwabenland for a 15-year patent for a kitchen pots with internal and external reinforcement. As long as the pot is hot, any attempt to achieve a good tinning with this calcined pewter is useless. The most notable element of Schwabenland pieces is the thick band around the rim and base. - Analyse des besoins du marché. Huile sur toile. Chomette.com has server used 128.204.213.82 (France) ping response time Hosted in RIPE Network Coordination Centre Register Domain Names at Gandi SAS. Arndt performed a beautiful restoration. And as I have already explained, you do not enter the business of copper pots with imitations without being almost immediately detected as a forger. MINOR SETBACK of the project: Trade Association of the Gebrüder Schwabenland”. I actually have other interests. 2021-2022 Undergraduate Catalog. And our imagination lets us glimpse a pot in the shape of SCHWABENLAND. However, if the reinforcement included the entire bottom and the lower bend, as was the case with the J.V.K. I am so grateful and honored to host this post here. All items that were excluded from the offer have been thoroughly checked for quality and usability beforehand, in accordance with the company’s business principle: “Good products are the best recommendation.”. No change in shape, therefore the lid always fits! But the effort was worth it. Furthermore, “Gebr. He sold his own business in order to bring all his strength into the company. I emphasize “initially” and “conjecture”. Perhaps in the course of time we will be able to discover further descriptions of the manufacturing process at the beginning of the 20th century and illustrations of the corresponding machines, which will provide even more clarity. The branches were granted greater powers so that they were largely able to work independently. The V & K pan I have had been scoured to bare copper without a trace of tin remaining. You obviously studied the detailed explanations in the 1922 catalog very carefully and were able to read the German text. So we assumed it was conceivable to remove 1 mm of the copper in the middle area of the side wall. Until now, I assumed that the tin was wiped out with a dry rag. In 1891 there were 4 Chomette families living in London. It was recognized that the “engine as worker” for the kitchen was in for a major development. Therefore, it is also conceivable to me that the pan you mention was stamped with a faulty stamp. It’s the perfect platform for browning and sautéing and I reach for it almost every evening. often in different combinations and qualities depending on whether the items were intended for households or restaurants. Yes Martin, the I.P.K. I am proud to have a small international group as guests in my kitchen. The problem is that if you look closely, there is no trace of wiping. ), but also the finishing of the apparently less than perfect products of the pressing process using a spinning lathe. Like the French manufacturers, a distinction was made between different material qualities: extra heavy and normal, as well as pans for cooking and those for serving at the table. I have a large Matter Windsor and in places the hammer blows don’t quite meet and you can see tooling marks in the gaps. It is thus possible to increase the height of the pot in the middle of the height without affecting the thickness of the bottom or the thickness of the upper rim. So the pot was first stamped by a hydraulic press. The world’s first hand spinning machine was developed by Leifeld in 1930. Because despite everything, it remains a way of doing that they are, I think, the only ones to have really developed on a large scale. They will be able to let off steam on their copper pot by damaging them much less quickly. Those are vintage from the 1970s-1990s and just as good today as they were the day they were made. This is why when I see high quality material like that of the LIEGE brand, I think more of a partnership than of an imitation. Once again sorry, I am digging through my archives! In 1913, a model warehouse was set up in Frankfurt / Main in building Oderweg 12. François-Xavier Priollaud; David Siritzky; Uni... See all recent Non-Juvenile items added to WorldCat by this library », This library has 13,590 items in WorldCat. The company supplied large kitchen equipment for hotels. The advertising shows that there were problems, perceived or otherwise (!) New storage options had to be found. The 1860s patent I was talking about earlier shows that there were already machines that did this. There are pots stamped “I.V.K ORIGINAL SCHWABENLAND”. Hello Martin, you now know, or almost, the way to go to talk about a single manufacturer. Now to the two I.V.K. 12 shows one piece. In 1914, Schwabenland brothers for coffee filters, 66 faubourg poissonnière. 2021-2022 Catalog. And suddenly new doors open, at first only a crack wide, so that you can only guess at the new tracks, but then you can follow them. Thank you! Schwabenland” was registered as a trading company, which at least outlined the focus of business activity, without excluding the possibility of in-house production of individual products. DEGRENNE MAISON LINGE DE TABLE ROSE ANTIQUE. Multiple expansion of the business premises with relocations. What is the impact of this? Exports overseas are also mentioned. Schwabenland” was decorated with numerous awards as early as 1911 and was purveyor to the court of His Royal Highness Grand Duke of Baden, His Royal Highness Grand Duke of Hesse and the King of Romania. Please Monsieur Martin : Studying copper, for me, provides a sort of refracted view of the people who designed and made them. It is interesting to compare the copper produced by different countries, so far French, German, English, Spanish, Polish and Turkish. Without possible error on the vision of “I.V.K.” and not J.V.K. Although I have seen models where the solder is almost invisible. They can handle anything I throw at them, from cooking sausage and scallions to sautéing a bunch of veggies. Nancy CEDEX, Convert documents to beautiful publications and share them worldwide. As you know, it was partly forbidden to import their products. There are countless culinary events around this time and if a forger had the wrong idea of offering copper pots stamped with a big mark, he would be caught very quickly. If a ring (or rather a complete bottom) had been brought in the same way by interlocking on the bottom of the pot (in a way a double bottom), it would also have had no chance of functioning correctly. Texts by Giuliana Bruno and Guy Tosatto Texts by Giuliana Bruno and Guy Tosatto Ross Lovegrove is an internationally renowned designer and visionary whose works are celebrated as the new aesthetic expression of the twenty-first century. Because otherwise, what would all the efforts of our elders have been used for? Voir le profil de Alexandre DICK sur LinkedIn, le plus grand réseau professionnel mondial. He was both a merchant and a Jew, like his father. Unfortunately this brilliant thespian did not often appear on the big screen . New storage and dispatch rooms were built. On the other hand, if you’ve ever seen the hustle and bustle in some commercial kitchens, it’s less surprising. This way of doing things is very good. copper tableware” in the anniversary catalog now available. This guarantees a very good tin coating which could last for years and even more if one is careful when using wooden utensils. Centre de documentation européenne NANCY-UL-BU CEU. VFC says: I am delighted to present this project by Martin and Arndt to explore the history of this German coppersmith and showcase examples of its production. We had only noticed the similarity in design of some Vogelsang & Kuhn pans (I have photos of other examples, but could not publish them), so we suspected V&K as one of the suppliers. Please choose whether or not you want other users to be able to see on your profile that this library is a favorite of yours. On July 1st, 1897, the company “Gebrüder Schwabenland” was founded as a general partnership based in Ludwigshafen / Rhein. Use census records and voter lists to see where families with the Chomette surname lived. The bottom of a Schwabenland pot (on the left in the diagram) is referred to as “double strength”. You will see that it is only a ring that encloses the bottom of a pan only at the rounded edge. Don’t collect them just for the sake of owning them. Who can provide reliable information on lathes used to turn pans between about 1870 and 1930? Schwabenland participated, in its own way and quite logically for a German society, in the German war effort. Hauteur : 35 cm. Schwabenland” down to the last detail. VFC had already suggested a few days ago that the pans may have been spun. The beautiful old Merklein lathe you dug up doesn’t have too much in common with our question, but you certainly intended it as an introduction to the history of lathes. I find the section “Le Génie Industriel, Armengaud frères, 1864”, which describes the deep drawing of pots, even more interesting. I actually consider these pans to be originals from Schwabenland. Anyway, the border regions between different Central European countries are interesting, because there is an overlapping culture and sometimes a common language. For example 10grs. The extensive range not only included tinned copper but also pans lined with silver. So Schwabenland-stamped pans are similar to such French copper pans that are stamped Blaser, Mora & Cie and Chomette Favor in that they were merchants for the pans rather than Manufacturers? The heart shaped handle plate (“Herzform”) was chosen to provide better support and thus more stability over the straight shape (“Gerada Form”). Thank you. Regarding lathe work traces, yes I know perfectly well that they can be removed. Another great read and more beautiful pans. Please note that Schwabenland produced not only deep-drawn pans. Provided that the craftsmen are experienced and careful, grooving can be avoided. Pairing up my vintage steel-lined Bourgeat bombee and my tin-lined Mauviel for Gaillard saucepan. The world's leading supplies and equipment distribution network for the hotel and catering trade.With over 6500 products in stock ,our offer is specially designed to meet all your requirements.Details Call 97143412705 - Pilotage de la marge. It was quite common not to be transparent about the origin of German products in Britain until EU regulations made it mandatory. Maybe also an Italian pan, I have seen a few for sale but never handled one. Data Products Catalog . Title: Chomette Mobilier 2021 Fr Bd, Author: ECF, Length: 44 pages, Published: 2021-03-04 After this post was published I was able to find more information. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Treat yourself, your family, your friends! Therefore, I would not be surprised if imitators sought a less expensive way to manufacture it. UPDATE: SCHWABENLAND DRAWING PRESS (or you never stop learning) However, as I only now remembered, the German company Leifeld did not launch the world’s first hand spinning machine for metal forming until 1930. If the information listed for this library is incorrect, authorized representatives of the library may update in the WorldCat Registry. Presumably an indication that the goods were also sold in French-speaking countries. Blum catalogue and technical manual 2020/2021. I have assumed it was produced for the English market. Management by Mr. Henninger. In this regard, I find the French patent you mentioned and your supplementary description very interesting. But you are right, I did not think that in translation this could be confusing. Then, we decrease the thickness of the middle of the sides. Even if I only entered “spinning”, I was led on a wrong track, which only showed looms or machines for spinning wool. I do not know why. VFC says: Please enjoy the Gebr. Schwabenland, and thus the story of its supplier Vogelsang & Kuhn, should be told by a German. I thought the reinforcement ring (patented 1906) was a precursor to the design of the JVK pans. Very effective as the villain of the piece, the faithless Philippe de Gonzague, in André Hunebelle's entertaining version of Paul Féval's 'Le Bossu' (1959), François Chaumette worked wonders with his cruel look, his predatory smile and his coldly threatening manner. - Consultation and support by experts attentive to developments in the field - 360 ° analysis of your establishment - Development of solutions - Deployment and training - Monitoring and . The photos of “I.V.K” are not mine but I had kept them for personal information. 5 COURS RICHARD VITTON 69003 LYON. Simply then, he puts back roughly the equivalence of what he ejected and does the same job as the second tinner. Alexandre a 4 postes sur son profil. Hauteur : 35 cm. The business relationships that were established during the exhibition formed the basis for the rapid further development of the company. Thierry Palermo; Isabelle Prouteau; Nadia Horen... See all recent Non-Fiction items added to WorldCat by this library ». I saw whole factory halls of the 20th century filled with all kinds of machines. I do not have the precise data but imagine a rim (which means the sides) of 7cm for example. will automatically start. This is how I have already received pots from GAILLARD, new (latest generations), still wrapped and unfortunately some were covered with dots and spots of verdigris on the inside! Cheers, Phil, Thank you Phil Devries and everyone who went along the way through the labyrinth with many wrong ways. I acquired a ‘vintage’ set of Falk pieces that I use every day, with occasional use of my tinned copper pans. Livraison 24/48h. We must not stay on guesswork. Then later I remembered examples that had none of these telltale characteristics. 20 years Catalogue of Life. Milestones include reaching over 2 million accepted species and the completion of the new Catalogue of Life infrastructure. – The second will spread roughly and quickly its 10grs of tin and will obtain a brighter tinning with clearly visible traces of wiping. https://www.kochen-macht-spass.com/marken/kupfermanufaktur, https://www.fineobjects.de/kueche/topfe-und-pfannen/weyersberg-kupfermanufaktur-hochwertiges-kochgeschirr-aus-kupfer.html, https://francelorrainecollection.fr/SCHWABENLAND-COPPER-POTS/, https://francelorrainecollection.fr/Stamping-Lathe-Polishing-Copper-Pan-Pot/, https://www.arts-et-metiers.net/musee/tour-guillocher-par-mercklein, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61vwMXmnzv4, https://www.circuitousroot.com/artifice/machine-shop/ornamental-turning/literature/collections/index.html, https://francelorrainecollection.fr/fr/Emboutissage-Tour-Polissage-Casserole-Cuivre/. The world’s first hydraulic spinning machine follows in 1945. Looking for best hotel supply company? 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